Meeting Minutes February 2022

Cascade Grotto Meeting (virtual and in-person)
February 18, 2022

Presentation by Mark Garnick, Poet’s Crest

Overview:

  • history:
    • presentation has a number of links
    • cave area was missed by loggers
    • study in 1983 has some information but nothing on caves
    • in 1981 regional meet it was missed
  • lots of limestone & marble
  • really obvious cinder cones
  • south of Mt Baker
    • close to Shriebers medow parking area
  • lots of potential
    • highest elevation of 4500′
    • lowest elevation is 3100′
    • over a mile of limestone
    • many surface features, cliff bands, sinks
  • line shows strike & dip:
    • dip is elevation of bedding plane of limestone (cave wants to follow bedding plane)
  • for reference cave ridge is at 70/80 degrees (very deep)
  • this sits at 40 degree dip
  • there’s a creek flowing into a cave there (a few leads there)
  • very hilly and rugged: E is a good base camp (water sources and flat-ish)
  • multiple promising leads with the caves we’ve explored
  • areas have been staying cold all year: snow/ice never melts in some places
  • area “F” is a significant water source: can be quite promising as it’s being fed water from a valley likely far away

Approach to Poet’s Crest:

  • Shriebers meadow parking lot
  • best way appears to be coming from the north
  • follow creek and head up over the ridge
  • no trail, lots of bushwacking
    • takes ~3-3.5 hours
    • didn’t rope up at all
  • start @ 3100, camp @ 4100
  • NW forest pass is required
  • about two hours drive to parking lot
  • impossible to get pack animals:
    • national park/national forest
    • slopes too steep for animals
  • river crossing (depends on recent heat — flow from snow pack)
  • in NRA land: we don’t want to make a trail and pick a random approach
  • river to bottom of ridge and top of ridge has decent trails
  • THICK with blueberries/trails cut (elk trail everywhere)
  • logging road was a thought to get up there but was just terrible

Campsite for Poet’s Crest:

  • 3 sets of gear up there
  • 150′ of rope & hand lines
  • level camping is really limited 4-6 tents (hammocks pls)
  • water sources right by camp
  • lots of bugs, devils club, and bears
    • came upon a bear den
    • super unlikely there are grizzlies (but be aware)

Possible exploration:

  • lots of old growth forest — never been logged
  • on some of google earth you can see the stream/rocky structure
  • big fluted outcrop that is about 300 ft high: very promising
    • noticeable fossils up there (tritinoid) underwater plant w/ fronds
  • pit we thought we could see on google earth
    • unfortunately it’s only like 6 or 7 ft deep
    • a good dig lead thought
  • couch “cave” – not much of a cave
    • lots of devils club!
  • Riven Gar crack:
    • rubble floor but solid ceiling
    • doesn’t seem to be blowing
    • good promising lead
  • earliest you can get up there is late july because of snow (15-20 ft of snow earlier in season)
  • mt baker has TONS of snow – convergence snow (had like 95′ in 2003)
  • sink/pit w/ skylight
    • also has a 2nd pit
    • has multiple leads
    • water flowing into cave
    • some walking passage in there
    • lots of debris being washed in (very wet) going down but seems could be cleared out
  • stash “cave” – really dry store we can pop things into
  • larry mctaig stayed with us for a few days (so no too brutal to get up there)
  • short season unfortunately
  • can also get REALLY hot up there (like 95+ when 80 is Seattle)
  • big goals:
    • push leads in caves we know
    • haven’t even looked at the other stuff yet (explore more)

Caves:

  • A: unnamed @ 75′ (some leads)
  • D: unnamed not much to push
  • C: Riven Gar crack @ 50′ (good leads)
  • B: promising dig lead
  • lower area has limestone pavement:
    • looks like pavement up there (but is far from camp)
  • TONS of sinks in NE section on ridge-line
  • avoid the NRA (we are in national forest land): fyi, you can’t camp in the NRA

Winter:

  • east of ridge-line is mt baker NRA (national recreational area)
  • could be possible to go up there and snowshoe up see if anything blows open
  • keep in mind though that snow level is like 25-40′
  • avalanche might not be a concern (not much avalanche terrain, small slopes etc)

Planning:

  • large area: like Doc Butte, Windy Creek, Cave ridge all combined
  • day trips are not worth it
  • basically need to do overnight or 3 day to really be productive

Shrievers meadow is a pillow block:

  • lots of depressions that go a little ways
  • assorted lava features

How did Mark find it?

  • back to mid 80s was in grotto
  • in 2018 was poking at GIS systems
    • lidar in county’s map
    • looked into windy creek
    • then poked at this
    • danner’s book
  • how to find lidar/geology info online?
  • learned lots of nuance
  • snow can sometimes masquerade as a sinkhole (where a tree is popping up)
  • “secret spot” -> anagram of “poets crest”

Caves in our region:

  • WA caves generally formed above ground (solution cave)
  • other caves were often formed underground and brought above ground (e.g. in TAG)

Description of caves, north to south:

  • Vancouver island:
    • parsons bay formation ~ 60 million years (lots of fossils)
    • quatsino formation
    • buttle lake formation (highest up on island)
      Gulf islands:
    • quatiso limestone
      Mainland:
    • extension of buttle lake
      Through BC:
    • limestone keeps getting even older
    • prince george/lilloet gets even older (into rockies)
    • banff/jasper is 760 million years old
  • Windy creek/cave ridge:
    • seems similar to buttle lake formation (300-400 million year range)
    • end of glaciation is when you have MASSIVE amount of runoff creating caves
  • Lime ridge right by lime lake (near glacier peak)
    • 10 to 12 hour trek but as it’s all karst there might be something interesting
  • Concrete:
    • lots of sinkholes/glory holes
  • Sisyphus cave system:
    • Mark Fritzkes goal is to unplug the system
    • 200 ft thick deposit
    • could have folds w/ schist in between
    • dye traced
    • LOTS of digging done already
  • The Marbles:
    • bigfoot could be expanded alot
    • could even break 20 miles

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